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	<title>Comments on: The Christian Response to Homeschooling Bans</title>
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		<title>By: Dawn</title>
		<link>http://zealfortruth.org/2008/03/the-christian-response-to-homeschooling-bans/#comment-5433</link>
		<author>Dawn</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Mar 2008 15:55:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>There is no ban. There is one ruling by one court that will likely be overturned and which the state has made clear will not affect homeschooling. There's a lot of misunderstanding around this issue, a lot of news sites that seem to be promoting that misunderstanding and we all need to do our own research on this to ensure we know what's really going on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is no ban. There is one ruling by one court that will likely be overturned and which the state has made clear will not affect homeschooling. There&#8217;s a lot of misunderstanding around this issue, a lot of news sites that seem to be promoting that misunderstanding and we all need to do our own research on this to ensure we know what&#8217;s really going on.</p>
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		<title>By: Darius T</title>
		<link>http://zealfortruth.org/2008/03/the-christian-response-to-homeschooling-bans/#comment-5435</link>
		<author>Darius T</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Mar 2008 16:10:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Dawn, until such a point that the state or a higher court steps in and changes the law, as it currently stands, I wouldn't be able to homeschool my kids in California, correct?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dawn, until such a point that the state or a higher court steps in and changes the law, as it currently stands, I wouldn&#8217;t be able to homeschool my kids in California, correct?</p>
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		<title>By: Darius T</title>
		<link>http://zealfortruth.org/2008/03/the-christian-response-to-homeschooling-bans/#comment-5436</link>
		<author>Darius T</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Mar 2008 16:10:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I should point out that I don't have a teacher's license.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I should point out that I don&#8217;t have a teacher&#8217;s license.</p>
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		<title>By: Colin</title>
		<link>http://zealfortruth.org/2008/03/the-christian-response-to-homeschooling-bans/#comment-5437</link>
		<author>Colin</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Mar 2008 16:54:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Dawn, your pragmatics may be correct, but as Darius mentioned, the law currently stands to ban parents from homeschooling their children. This is not acceptable, regardless of what may or may not happen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dawn, your pragmatics may be correct, but as Darius mentioned, the law currently stands to ban parents from homeschooling their children. This is not acceptable, regardless of what may or may not happen.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris A</title>
		<link>http://zealfortruth.org/2008/03/the-christian-response-to-homeschooling-bans/#comment-5438</link>
		<author>Chris A</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Mar 2008 17:41:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Wow. I'm thinking about homeschooling my daughter, or perhaps hiring a teacher to do it when she is old enough. I hope this trend doesn't spread, but since we're inching towards fascism...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow. I&#8217;m thinking about homeschooling my daughter, or perhaps hiring a teacher to do it when she is old enough. I hope this trend doesn&#8217;t spread, but since we&#8217;re inching towards fascism&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Darius T</title>
		<link>http://zealfortruth.org/2008/03/the-christian-response-to-homeschooling-bans/#comment-5440</link>
		<author>Darius T</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Mar 2008 17:57:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>To be fair, that IS California we're talking about.  Many states are actually doing the opposite, inching towards MORE educational options and freer homeschooling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To be fair, that IS California we&#8217;re talking about.  Many states are actually doing the opposite, inching towards MORE educational options and freer homeschooling.</p>
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		<title>By: thainamu</title>
		<link>http://zealfortruth.org/2008/03/the-christian-response-to-homeschooling-bans/#comment-5448</link>
		<author>thainamu</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Mar 2008 19:07:13 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://zealfortruth.org/2008/03/the-christian-response-to-homeschooling-bans/#comment-5448</guid>
					<description>Ok, am I missing something?  Colin, on the one hand you say that "there are many areas where this ban does not conflict" and that you "maintain that public schooling is not inherently evil - and it is (in many cases, but not all) a valid supplement to Godly education."

So why, then, do you say "Imprisonment and fines are not valid reasons to cease doing what God has clearly instructed as an essential role of parenting."?

In theory at least, why couldn't all Christians send their children to public or private accredited schools and then do the obvious--give them their necessary (and commanded by God) Biblical education outside of normal school hours?  

Now, I know there are lots of reasons people home school their kids, but in this article you only seem to be focusing on the fact that we believers are to instruct our children about God and our faith.  Unless you take the "hot house" approach to education--where you don't let your kids get near an unbeliever-- then I don't see a conflict with children of Christians attending public school while getting their Christian education at home.

n.b.  I'm not, for the moment, talking about other reasons for homeschooling such as a child's illness or disability, the parents live an itinerant lifestyle, the local schools might be physically dangerous, the local schools might be too low performing, the local schools might not offer enough electives, etc.  I'm only talking about the fact that--so far--the government has not made it against the law for us to teach our children at home and at church about God.

For the record, I did not home school my children, though I was very involved in their public school education and I did a lot of "home schooling" with their homework and their Christian education.  I know this won't be a popular opinion, but I see home schooling in many cases as elitist, and that worries me a little.  Yes, it is great for the children whose parents are educated enough themselves to teach their children, who have the financial resources so that both parents don't have to work, and who have the personality to be able to do the teaching every day.  But that begs the question:  what about the kids who don't have that?  Also, I think some homeschooling Christian families look down their noses  at families who don't home school, like "oh, you're ruining your children!"   Like I said, that opinion may not be too popular with many of you who were home schooled yourselves or who now home school.

Back to the California ban.  I'd like to know the reasons for the ban.  Do they have hard facts about home schooled children who have done poorly on standardized tests?

And to close this too-long-already post, I have a little personal anecdote to share.  I started to home school my oldest child when we lived overseas.  I had a college degree, but no training in education.  I was told to use the phonics method to teach my 4 year old to read, so I tried.  After two weeks, I was entirely convinced that my son was retarded because he could not do "ba be bi bo bu."  I was in tears, blah, blah.  Well, this child ended up getting an advanced degree from Harvard, so he wasn't actually retarded, but at the time I did not know that not all children can learn to read by the same method.  Once we started holding up flashcards that said "airplane" he learned how to read just fine.  This is something a trained teacher would know, but not necessarily any old mother like me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ok, am I missing something?  Colin, on the one hand you say that &#8220;there are many areas where this ban does not conflict&#8221; and that you &#8220;maintain that public schooling is not inherently evil - and it is (in many cases, but not all) a valid supplement to Godly education.&#8221;</p>
<p>So why, then, do you say &#8220;Imprisonment and fines are not valid reasons to cease doing what God has clearly instructed as an essential role of parenting.&#8221;?</p>
<p>In theory at least, why couldn&#8217;t all Christians send their children to public or private accredited schools and then do the obvious&#8211;give them their necessary (and commanded by God) Biblical education outside of normal school hours?  </p>
<p>Now, I know there are lots of reasons people home school their kids, but in this article you only seem to be focusing on the fact that we believers are to instruct our children about God and our faith.  Unless you take the &#8220;hot house&#8221; approach to education&#8211;where you don&#8217;t let your kids get near an unbeliever&#8211; then I don&#8217;t see a conflict with children of Christians attending public school while getting their Christian education at home.</p>
<p>n.b.  I&#8217;m not, for the moment, talking about other reasons for homeschooling such as a child&#8217;s illness or disability, the parents live an itinerant lifestyle, the local schools might be physically dangerous, the local schools might be too low performing, the local schools might not offer enough electives, etc.  I&#8217;m only talking about the fact that&#8211;so far&#8211;the government has not made it against the law for us to teach our children at home and at church about God.</p>
<p>For the record, I did not home school my children, though I was very involved in their public school education and I did a lot of &#8220;home schooling&#8221; with their homework and their Christian education.  I know this won&#8217;t be a popular opinion, but I see home schooling in many cases as elitist, and that worries me a little.  Yes, it is great for the children whose parents are educated enough themselves to teach their children, who have the financial resources so that both parents don&#8217;t have to work, and who have the personality to be able to do the teaching every day.  But that begs the question:  what about the kids who don&#8217;t have that?  Also, I think some homeschooling Christian families look down their noses  at families who don&#8217;t home school, like &#8220;oh, you&#8217;re ruining your children!&#8221;   Like I said, that opinion may not be too popular with many of you who were home schooled yourselves or who now home school.</p>
<p>Back to the California ban.  I&#8217;d like to know the reasons for the ban.  Do they have hard facts about home schooled children who have done poorly on standardized tests?</p>
<p>And to close this too-long-already post, I have a little personal anecdote to share.  I started to home school my oldest child when we lived overseas.  I had a college degree, but no training in education.  I was told to use the phonics method to teach my 4 year old to read, so I tried.  After two weeks, I was entirely convinced that my son was retarded because he could not do &#8220;ba be bi bo bu.&#8221;  I was in tears, blah, blah.  Well, this child ended up getting an advanced degree from Harvard, so he wasn&#8217;t actually retarded, but at the time I did not know that not all children can learn to read by the same method.  Once we started holding up flashcards that said &#8220;airplane&#8221; he learned how to read just fine.  This is something a trained teacher would know, but not necessarily any old mother like me.</p>
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		<title>By: Colin</title>
		<link>http://zealfortruth.org/2008/03/the-christian-response-to-homeschooling-bans/#comment-5449</link>
		<author>Colin</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Mar 2008 20:27:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://zealfortruth.org/2008/03/the-christian-response-to-homeschooling-bans/#comment-5449</guid>
					<description>Thainamu, thanks for the detailed post. I think you answer what I would say here:

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I’m not, for the moment, talking about other reasons for homeschooling such as a child’s illness or disability, the parents live an itinerant lifestyle, the local schools might be physically dangerous, the local schools might be too low performing, the local schools might not offer enough electives, etc. I’m only talking about the fact that–so far–the government has not made it against the law for us to teach our children at home and at church about God.
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In the case of my kids, there may not be a conflict. But there are many instances of all kinds where a Christian parent would need to keep their children at home. The law would seem to ban that. This is not a law Christians are obligated to comply with.

Surely formal public education and education about God need not conflict. However, laws like this one set up public schooling as a monopoly on education (that is their primary function) - this is not biblically acceptable. However, as Christians, it is not really our job to be social advocates for effecting public schools - but we are to resist the government infringing on our obligation to practice our biblical duties to our children.

This law (along with compulsory schooling laws) will have that effect for some parents.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thainamu, thanks for the detailed post. I think you answer what I would say here:</p>
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I’m not, for the moment, talking about other reasons for homeschooling such as a child’s illness or disability, the parents live an itinerant lifestyle, the local schools might be physically dangerous, the local schools might be too low performing, the local schools might not offer enough electives, etc. I’m only talking about the fact that–so far–the government has not made it against the law for us to teach our children at home and at church about God.
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<p>In the case of my kids, there may not be a conflict. But there are many instances of all kinds where a Christian parent would need to keep their children at home. The law would seem to ban that. This is not a law Christians are obligated to comply with.</p>
<p>Surely formal public education and education about God need not conflict. However, laws like this one set up public schooling as a monopoly on education (that is their primary function) - this is not biblically acceptable. However, as Christians, it is not really our job to be social advocates for effecting public schools - but we are to resist the government infringing on our obligation to practice our biblical duties to our children.</p>
<p>This law (along with compulsory schooling laws) will have that effect for some parents.</p>
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