Comments on: Driscoll In The Hands Of The Angry Reformed http://zealfortruth.org/2008/01/driscoll-in-the-hands-of-the-angry-reformed/ Thu, 08 Jan 2009 12:48:05 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.1.3 By: thainamu http://zealfortruth.org/2008/01/driscoll-in-the-hands-of-the-angry-reformed/#comment-3929 thainamu Wed, 16 Jan 2008 20:10:15 +0000 http://zealfortruth.org/2008/01/driscoll-in-the-hands-of-the-angry-reformed/#comment-3929 I managed to listed to Mark Driscoll's sermon, in spite of the fact that my broadband didn't seem broad enough to make it play smoothly. My comments: 1. I was not offended. In the context of no young children, I have no problem with anything he said and I did not view anything as indecent, vulgar, or not fit for a public sermon. I'm not really sure why the bloggers you linked to were so upset. 2. I thought the question itself was a bit odd. Usually the question is, "Is masturbation wrong?" But this question was about masturbation as about birth control, thus making us to assume the couple in question were married. If that is the case, maybe they have the definition of masturbation wrong. In any case, Driscoll covered the various angles and I pretty much agreed with what he said. I managed to listed to Mark Driscoll’s sermon, in spite of the fact that my broadband didn’t seem broad enough to make it play smoothly.

My comments:
1. I was not offended. In the context of no young children, I have no problem with anything he said and I did not view anything as indecent, vulgar, or not fit for a public sermon. I’m not really sure why the bloggers you linked to were so upset.

2. I thought the question itself was a bit odd. Usually the question is, “Is masturbation wrong?” But this question was about masturbation as about birth control, thus making us to assume the couple in question were married. If that is the case, maybe they have the definition of masturbation wrong. In any case, Driscoll covered the various angles and I pretty much agreed with what he said.

]]> By: Darius http://zealfortruth.org/2008/01/driscoll-in-the-hands-of-the-angry-reformed/#comment-3930 Darius Wed, 16 Jan 2008 20:21:15 +0000 http://zealfortruth.org/2008/01/driscoll-in-the-hands-of-the-angry-reformed/#comment-3930 Yeah, I can't seem to get it to play. Really weak server it appears. Yeah, I can’t seem to get it to play. Really weak server it appears.

]]> By: Jasen Tracy http://zealfortruth.org/2008/01/driscoll-in-the-hands-of-the-angry-reformed/#comment-3931 Jasen Tracy Wed, 16 Jan 2008 20:38:15 +0000 http://zealfortruth.org/2008/01/driscoll-in-the-hands-of-the-angry-reformed/#comment-3931 I had problems also, they're probably getting too much traffic. I had problems also, they’re probably getting too much traffic.

]]> By: Colin http://zealfortruth.org/2008/01/driscoll-in-the-hands-of-the-angry-reformed/#comment-3932 Colin Wed, 16 Jan 2008 20:55:08 +0000 http://zealfortruth.org/2008/01/driscoll-in-the-hands-of-the-angry-reformed/#comment-3932 Bryan's article broke their site! It's our massive readership! Bryan’s article broke their site! It’s our massive readership!

]]> By: Bryan http://zealfortruth.org/2008/01/driscoll-in-the-hands-of-the-angry-reformed/#comment-3934 Bryan Wed, 16 Jan 2008 22:03:20 +0000 http://zealfortruth.org/2008/01/driscoll-in-the-hands-of-the-angry-reformed/#comment-3934 I'm having a hard time trying to understand why they are so upset as well, but it's really getting harder and harder for me to be sympathetic towards their position on a subject like this. I guess that means any Reformed credentials I had left are gone. I’m having a hard time trying to understand why they are so upset as well, but it’s really getting harder and harder for me to be sympathetic towards their position on a subject like this. I guess that means any Reformed credentials I had left are gone.

]]> By: Darius http://zealfortruth.org/2008/01/driscoll-in-the-hands-of-the-angry-reformed/#comment-3935 Darius Wed, 16 Jan 2008 22:53:44 +0000 http://zealfortruth.org/2008/01/driscoll-in-the-hands-of-the-angry-reformed/#comment-3935 Well, I've listened to a good portion of it. So far, I haven't seen anything I'm "offended" by, though I have sympathy for those who think that this subject should perhaps be discussed in men-only and women-only groups. But in this day and age, they see and hear worse on TV. I would be upset if someone said this at a church where people were pretty cut-off from the world and its trappings, but Mars Hill??? Well, I’ve listened to a good portion of it. So far, I haven’t seen anything I’m “offended” by, though I have sympathy for those who think that this subject should perhaps be discussed in men-only and women-only groups. But in this day and age, they see and hear worse on TV. I would be upset if someone said this at a church where people were pretty cut-off from the world and its trappings, but Mars Hill???

]]> By: Jasen Tracy http://zealfortruth.org/2008/01/driscoll-in-the-hands-of-the-angry-reformed/#comment-3936 Jasen Tracy Wed, 16 Jan 2008 23:16:07 +0000 http://zealfortruth.org/2008/01/driscoll-in-the-hands-of-the-angry-reformed/#comment-3936 Even if it would be better discussed in a different setting (I haven't seen it), the fact is that in today's church setup until something is addressed from the pulpit at the main meeting time(s) then it's not going to be considered something that's really important, and many church people will miss it all together. Even if it would be better discussed in a different setting (I haven’t seen it), the fact is that in today’s church setup until something is addressed from the pulpit at the main meeting time(s) then it’s not going to be considered something that’s really important, and many church people will miss it all together.

]]> By: Jew http://zealfortruth.org/2008/01/driscoll-in-the-hands-of-the-angry-reformed/#comment-3937 Jew Wed, 16 Jan 2008 23:42:42 +0000 http://zealfortruth.org/2008/01/driscoll-in-the-hands-of-the-angry-reformed/#comment-3937 I listened to the sermon and the Q & A, and I didn't hear anything inappropriate. It would have been nice to have a few more Scripture references, but there just isn't that much Scripture that can be legitimately applied to the question of birth control. I listened to the sermon and the Q & A, and I didn’t hear anything inappropriate. It would have been nice to have a few more Scripture references, but there just isn’t that much Scripture that can be legitimately applied to the question of birth control.

]]> By: Sadie http://zealfortruth.org/2008/01/driscoll-in-the-hands-of-the-angry-reformed/#comment-3945 Sadie Thu, 17 Jan 2008 03:31:11 +0000 http://zealfortruth.org/2008/01/driscoll-in-the-hands-of-the-angry-reformed/#comment-3945 Bryan, I appreciated reading this article a lot. Questions about birth control are very important and are rarely (as is the same for sexual issues as well) addressed in a sermon. There seems to be little difference in how teens or adults (who identify themselves as Christian) view or discuss sexual relationships inside or outside of marriage. However, Christians should be concerned and look for the wisdom that God has provided in the Bible on these subjects. The John Piper article that you link to is excellent. Bryan, I appreciated reading this article a lot. Questions about birth control are very important and are rarely (as is the same for sexual issues as well) addressed in a sermon. There seems to be little difference in how teens or adults (who identify themselves as Christian) view or discuss sexual relationships inside or outside of marriage. However, Christians should be concerned and look for the wisdom that God has provided in the Bible on these subjects. The John Piper article that you link to is excellent.

]]> By: Josh R http://zealfortruth.org/2008/01/driscoll-in-the-hands-of-the-angry-reformed/#comment-3957 Josh R Thu, 17 Jan 2008 16:05:47 +0000 http://zealfortruth.org/2008/01/driscoll-in-the-hands-of-the-angry-reformed/#comment-3957 All of the Answers from Q&A are also posted on Youtube.. You will have to sit through the 2 or 3 minutes of warnings each time, but it is still worth it. you can also download the audio or video through iTunes if the flash player is not working. In Typical Driscoll fashion, he is going to irk both the liberals and conservatives. He refused to condemn what the bible doesn't condemn, and he is going to be pretty unapologetic about calling Sin what it is. His advocacy or tolerance for oral sex during marriage has always been a lightning rod. I really liked the Q & A stuff. It seemed like he recognized partway into it, that he needed to approach these questions as a pastor, and not just a preacher. It allowed us to see a different side of his personality and heart. All of the Answers from Q&A are also posted on Youtube.. You will have to sit through the 2 or 3 minutes of warnings each time, but it is still worth it. you can also download the audio or video through iTunes if the flash player is not working.

In Typical Driscoll fashion, he is going to irk both the liberals and conservatives. He refused to condemn what the bible doesn’t condemn, and he is going to be pretty unapologetic about calling Sin what it is. His advocacy or tolerance for oral sex during marriage has always been a lightning rod.

I really liked the Q & A stuff. It seemed like he recognized partway into it, that he needed to approach these questions as a pastor, and not just a preacher. It allowed us to see a different side of his personality and heart.

]]> By: Jew http://zealfortruth.org/2008/01/driscoll-in-the-hands-of-the-angry-reformed/#comment-3995 Jew Fri, 18 Jan 2008 16:27:56 +0000 http://zealfortruth.org/2008/01/driscoll-in-the-hands-of-the-angry-reformed/#comment-3995 The people who are offended seem to be ones who already have objections to Mark Driscoll's style of preaching. The specific objections in this case are: 1. Driscoll used crude jokes 2. Lack of reverence for Scripture, specifically the joke about Ecclesiastes 9:10 3. Driscoll's decision to explicitly list and define sins is a form of reveling in sin I can agree with #1, because I think a few of the jokes were unnecessary. #2 is just plain wrong--Driscoll was making a joke about the misinterpretation Scripture, not a joke about Scripture itself. I don't know what to make of the third objection. It's pretty hard to talk about sin and righteousness without knowing what sin is. We live in a culture that has no understanding of sin, so our consciences are seared. Add a taboo subject to the mix and you've got a lot of confused people. I applaud a pastor who can make some concrete statements about what is and what is not sin rather than speaking in generalities. (Not that I heard a whole of those statements from Driscoll in this sermon. It wasn't a sermon about sin.) The people who are offended seem to be ones who already have objections to Mark Driscoll’s style of preaching. The specific objections in this case are:

1. Driscoll used crude jokes
2. Lack of reverence for Scripture, specifically the joke about Ecclesiastes 9:10
3. Driscoll’s decision to explicitly list and define sins is a form of reveling in sin

I can agree with #1, because I think a few of the jokes were unnecessary. #2 is just plain wrong–Driscoll was making a joke about the misinterpretation Scripture, not a joke about Scripture itself.

I don’t know what to make of the third objection. It’s pretty hard to talk about sin and righteousness without knowing what sin is. We live in a culture that has no understanding of sin, so our consciences are seared. Add a taboo subject to the mix and you’ve got a lot of confused people. I applaud a pastor who can make some concrete statements about what is and what is not sin rather than speaking in generalities. (Not that I heard a whole of those statements from Driscoll in this sermon. It wasn’t a sermon about sin.)

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