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	<title>Comments on: Does It Matter If Languages Die?</title>
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		<title>By: Jew</title>
		<link>http://zealfortruth.org/2007/08/does-it-matter-if-languages-die/#comment-767</link>
		<author>Jew</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2007 21:21:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>"Every nation, tribe, people, and language" is a poetic way of saying "everybody." It doesn't indicate that God gives language any special significance. My guess is God doesn't care whether a language dies any more than he cares about any other event in human history.

Except for research purposes, I can't think of many reasons why a language should be saved. You might want to save or revive a language as part of a campaign to build a common identity. But that's using language as a tool, not a means in itself. (For example, see modern Hebrew.)

As for the lost tribal history, folk tales, etc. that die when a language ceases to be spoken, I'm not sure those things have much value. They have some value to researchers, but none to the average man. The only reason to preserve those things is to build or preserve a common identity among a people group.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Every nation, tribe, people, and language&#8221; is a poetic way of saying &#8220;everybody.&#8221; It doesn&#8217;t indicate that God gives language any special significance. My guess is God doesn&#8217;t care whether a language dies any more than he cares about any other event in human history.</p>
<p>Except for research purposes, I can&#8217;t think of many reasons why a language should be saved. You might want to save or revive a language as part of a campaign to build a common identity. But that&#8217;s using language as a tool, not a means in itself. (For example, see modern Hebrew.)</p>
<p>As for the lost tribal history, folk tales, etc. that die when a language ceases to be spoken, I&#8217;m not sure those things have much value. They have some value to researchers, but none to the average man. The only reason to preserve those things is to build or preserve a common identity among a people group.</p>
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		<title>By: thainamu</title>
		<link>http://zealfortruth.org/2007/08/does-it-matter-if-languages-die/#comment-768</link>
		<author>thainamu</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2007 23:00:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>"As for the lost tribal history, folk tales, etc. that die when a language ceases to be spoken, I’m not sure those things have much value."

What if the cure for cancer is in the the knowledge of ethnobotany that only that language group knows?  That might be of value to the average man.

And what would you say to the tribal history being lost of, say, English speakers?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;As for the lost tribal history, folk tales, etc. that die when a language ceases to be spoken, I’m not sure those things have much value.&#8221;</p>
<p>What if the cure for cancer is in the the knowledge of ethnobotany that only that language group knows?  That might be of value to the average man.</p>
<p>And what would you say to the tribal history being lost of, say, English speakers?</p>
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		<title>By: Jew</title>
		<link>http://zealfortruth.org/2007/08/does-it-matter-if-languages-die/#comment-770</link>
		<author>Jew</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Aug 2007 01:06:53 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Well I'm not letting &lt;i&gt;my&lt;/i&gt; language die without a fight. But if it dies, so be it.

"&lt;i&gt;What if the cure for cancer is in the the knowledge of ethnobotany that only that language group knows?&lt;/i&gt;"

I recognize your point. Folk medicine is sometimes based in fact. Losing the chance at a medical discovery would be unfortunate. That kind of tribal knowledge could be transmitted even if the language dies out, though. (Parents and grandparents still talk to the younger generation, even if the younger folks don't speak the tribal language anymore.) Or the knowledge could be lost even if the language survives.

Some people would say that the tribal history and folktales have value in themselves. I'm not so romantic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well I&#8217;m not letting <i>my</i> language die without a fight. But if it dies, so be it.</p>
<p>&#8220;<i>What if the cure for cancer is in the the knowledge of ethnobotany that only that language group knows?</i>&#8221;</p>
<p>I recognize your point. Folk medicine is sometimes based in fact. Losing the chance at a medical discovery would be unfortunate. That kind of tribal knowledge could be transmitted even if the language dies out, though. (Parents and grandparents still talk to the younger generation, even if the younger folks don&#8217;t speak the tribal language anymore.) Or the knowledge could be lost even if the language survives.</p>
<p>Some people would say that the tribal history and folktales have value in themselves. I&#8217;m not so romantic.</p>
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		<title>By: thainamu</title>
		<link>http://zealfortruth.org/2007/08/does-it-matter-if-languages-die/#comment-771</link>
		<author>thainamu</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Aug 2007 15:36:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>The loss of cultural knowledge is a human loss, and could be a significant one.

But back to the question of does this matter to God.  I know at least one person who says it does matter.  His idea is that the variety of languages on earth is a reflection of the complex nature of God, of his infinite capacity to communicate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The loss of cultural knowledge is a human loss, and could be a significant one.</p>
<p>But back to the question of does this matter to God.  I know at least one person who says it does matter.  His idea is that the variety of languages on earth is a reflection of the complex nature of God, of his infinite capacity to communicate.</p>
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		<title>By: Jew</title>
		<link>http://zealfortruth.org/2007/08/does-it-matter-if-languages-die/#comment-773</link>
		<author>Jew</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Aug 2007 23:00:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>"&lt;i&gt;The loss of cultural knowledge is a human loss, and could be a significant one.&lt;/i&gt;'

Why? So we lose some stories and some history. Big deal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;<i>The loss of cultural knowledge is a human loss, and could be a significant one.</i>&#8216;</p>
<p>Why? So we lose some stories and some history. Big deal.</p>
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		<title>By: Samwise</title>
		<link>http://zealfortruth.org/2007/08/does-it-matter-if-languages-die/#comment-793</link>
		<author>Samwise</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Aug 2007 13:33:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>""His idea is that the variety of languages on earth is a reflection of the complex nature of God, of his infinite capacity to communicate."

The variety of languages on earth is a reflection of man's sinful nature needing monitoring.  The only reason we have so many languages is Babel.  True, as people groups seperate, language transforms, but we'd all still speak something with a common root if it hadn't been for that event.

I have a feeling that losing languages isn't an issue God cares about as much as the way the world is moving to a common language.  And even that, I think, is something that would be good if it weren't for all the end-time significance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8221;His idea is that the variety of languages on earth is a reflection of the complex nature of God, of his infinite capacity to communicate.&#8221;</p>
<p>The variety of languages on earth is a reflection of man&#8217;s sinful nature needing monitoring.  The only reason we have so many languages is Babel.  True, as people groups seperate, language transforms, but we&#8217;d all still speak something with a common root if it hadn&#8217;t been for that event.</p>
<p>I have a feeling that losing languages isn&#8217;t an issue God cares about as much as the way the world is moving to a common language.  And even that, I think, is something that would be good if it weren&#8217;t for all the end-time significance.</p>
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		<title>By: thainamu</title>
		<link>http://zealfortruth.org/2007/08/does-it-matter-if-languages-die/#comment-794</link>
		<author>thainamu</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Aug 2007 21:38:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Yes, the fact that we have many languages is a result of God punishing man's sin.  In Genesis 1 and again in 9 God told people to be fruitful and fill the earth.  But they didn't want to fill the earth, they wanted to all stay in one place and make a name for themselves. They could do that since they all spoke one language.  

Genesis 11:6 says "If as one people speaking the same language they have begun to do this, then nothing they plan to do will be impossible for them."  That is an astounding statement.  Is the power of one language so much that even God says man will be able to do everything he plans?  (Hmm, look at the amazing technological advances via English today.)

When they no longer spoke the same language, they had to move out to different locations and they had to quit all working on the same project.  Maybe this was God's way to keep man from advancing too far.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, the fact that we have many languages is a result of God punishing man&#8217;s sin.  In Genesis 1 and again in 9 God told people to be fruitful and fill the earth.  But they didn&#8217;t want to fill the earth, they wanted to all stay in one place and make a name for themselves. They could do that since they all spoke one language.  </p>
<p>Genesis 11:6 says &#8220;If as one people speaking the same language they have begun to do this, then nothing they plan to do will be impossible for them.&#8221;  That is an astounding statement.  Is the power of one language so much that even God says man will be able to do everything he plans?  (Hmm, look at the amazing technological advances via English today.)</p>
<p>When they no longer spoke the same language, they had to move out to different locations and they had to quit all working on the same project.  Maybe this was God&#8217;s way to keep man from advancing too far.</p>
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		<title>By: Sharon</title>
		<link>http://zealfortruth.org/2007/08/does-it-matter-if-languages-die/#comment-796</link>
		<author>Sharon</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 13:55:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>So how sinful is it to learn other languages and make it possible to work on the same project?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So how sinful is it to learn other languages and make it possible to work on the same project?</p>
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		<title>By: Colin Elliott</title>
		<link>http://zealfortruth.org/2007/08/does-it-matter-if-languages-die/#comment-797</link>
		<author>Colin Elliott</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 14:20:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I think a one-world language sounds great - especially in the form of a trade or business language. A lot of warring and destruction can be traced to poor / lack of communication. I don't think God wants to keep men from advancing too far technologically or linguistically. The whole sin of Babel was idolatry - motive, intent and pride. Man had become so debased and morally repugnant - the tower and language were just articulations and embellishments on that original sin against God.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think a one-world language sounds great - especially in the form of a trade or business language. A lot of warring and destruction can be traced to poor / lack of communication. I don&#8217;t think God wants to keep men from advancing too far technologically or linguistically. The whole sin of Babel was idolatry - motive, intent and pride. Man had become so debased and morally repugnant - the tower and language were just articulations and embellishments on that original sin against God.</p>
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		<title>By: Jew</title>
		<link>http://zealfortruth.org/2007/08/does-it-matter-if-languages-die/#comment-798</link>
		<author>Jew</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 14:34:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Yes, a single world trade language would be a boon for humanity. English is the closest thing we have, but as a trade language it's rather a poor choice. A trade language should be simple and easy to learn. A dialect of Malay would make a better choice. We'd have to convince everyone to learn it, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, a single world trade language would be a boon for humanity. English is the closest thing we have, but as a trade language it&#8217;s rather a poor choice. A trade language should be simple and easy to learn. A dialect of Malay would make a better choice. We&#8217;d have to convince everyone to learn it, though.</p>
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		<title>By: thainamu</title>
		<link>http://zealfortruth.org/2007/08/does-it-matter-if-languages-die/#comment-799</link>
		<author>thainamu</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 14:35:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>There was no sin in the fact that they all spoke the same language (and Sharon, there is no sin in anyone learning anyone else's language).  Rather, the sin was two-fold:  (1) they refused obey God's command to fill the earth but rather stayed in one place, and (2) they misused the power that having one language gave them in trying to build a name for themselves with building the tower to heaven.

God had already promised not to destroy man again as he did with the flood, so this time he solved the problem in a rather unique and clever way.

I don't know if I agree with your statement, Colin, about "I don’t think God wants to keep men from advancing too far technologically..."  There are a lot of things that God doesn't "want" but he allows, to our detriment.  Creation of the nuclear bombs enough to really mess up his creation, is one possible example of something that man with one language has created that to me, borders on going too far.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There was no sin in the fact that they all spoke the same language (and Sharon, there is no sin in anyone learning anyone else&#8217;s language).  Rather, the sin was two-fold:  (1) they refused obey God&#8217;s command to fill the earth but rather stayed in one place, and (2) they misused the power that having one language gave them in trying to build a name for themselves with building the tower to heaven.</p>
<p>God had already promised not to destroy man again as he did with the flood, so this time he solved the problem in a rather unique and clever way.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know if I agree with your statement, Colin, about &#8220;I don’t think God wants to keep men from advancing too far technologically&#8230;&#8221;  There are a lot of things that God doesn&#8217;t &#8220;want&#8221; but he allows, to our detriment.  Creation of the nuclear bombs enough to really mess up his creation, is one possible example of something that man with one language has created that to me, borders on going too far.</p>
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		<title>By: Jew</title>
		<link>http://zealfortruth.org/2007/08/does-it-matter-if-languages-die/#comment-800</link>
		<author>Jew</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 15:25:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Advances in nuclear physics didn't all happen in English. For example, Einstein published in German, as did his German colleagues.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Advances in nuclear physics didn&#8217;t all happen in English. For example, Einstein published in German, as did his German colleagues.</p>
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		<title>By: Sharon</title>
		<link>http://zealfortruth.org/2007/08/does-it-matter-if-languages-die/#comment-801</link>
		<author>Sharon</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 15:27:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://zealfortruth.org/2007/08/does-it-matter-if-languages-die/#comment-801</guid>
					<description>Next time I'll skip the sarcasm.

Jew, you mean a world trade language that's simple but complex in vocabulary?  It would have to be.  I doubt we'll ever get one besides English, though, even if it isn't the most practical.

Sometimes having two or more languages actually increases (the rapidity of) technological advances, as in the space race between the U.S.S.R. and the U.S.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Next time I&#8217;ll skip the sarcasm.</p>
<p>Jew, you mean a world trade language that&#8217;s simple but complex in vocabulary?  It would have to be.  I doubt we&#8217;ll ever get one besides English, though, even if it isn&#8217;t the most practical.</p>
<p>Sometimes having two or more languages actually increases (the rapidity of) technological advances, as in the space race between the U.S.S.R. and the U.S.</p>
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		<title>By: Jew</title>
		<link>http://zealfortruth.org/2007/08/does-it-matter-if-languages-die/#comment-802</link>
		<author>Jew</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 15:37:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;i&gt;Sometimes having two or more languages actually increases (the rapidity of) technological advances, as in the space race between the U.S.S.R. and the U.S.&lt;/i&gt;

Is that really attributable to language differences? The Cold War was about dominating the world. That's what drove the space race. Language didn't enter into it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Sometimes having two or more languages actually increases (the rapidity of) technological advances, as in the space race between the U.S.S.R. and the U.S.</i></p>
<p>Is that really attributable to language differences? The Cold War was about dominating the world. That&#8217;s what drove the space race. Language didn&#8217;t enter into it.</p>
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		<title>By: Sharon</title>
		<link>http://zealfortruth.org/2007/08/does-it-matter-if-languages-die/#comment-803</link>
		<author>Sharon</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 16:05:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>No, that's true.  I shouldn't have worded it that way.  But it seems to be an indirect factor, since rivalry for dominating the world (and the technology to go with it) occurs more often between nations of differing language and culture.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, that&#8217;s true.  I shouldn&#8217;t have worded it that way.  But it seems to be an indirect factor, since rivalry for dominating the world (and the technology to go with it) occurs more often between nations of differing language and culture.</p>
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		<title>By: Jew</title>
		<link>http://zealfortruth.org/2007/08/does-it-matter-if-languages-die/#comment-805</link>
		<author>Jew</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 16:30:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Have there been any recent wars between people who speak the same language? The last time America fought a major war against English speakers was 1865. Today, the various English-speaking nations are all on pretty good terms with each other.

Is that just an accident of history? Is it attributable to some special quality of the British? I don't see the same level of friendship among Spanish-speaking nations or among French-speaking nations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have there been any recent wars between people who speak the same language? The last time America fought a major war against English speakers was 1865. Today, the various English-speaking nations are all on pretty good terms with each other.</p>
<p>Is that just an accident of history? Is it attributable to some special quality of the British? I don&#8217;t see the same level of friendship among Spanish-speaking nations or among French-speaking nations.</p>
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		<title>By: Colin Elliott</title>
		<link>http://zealfortruth.org/2007/08/does-it-matter-if-languages-die/#comment-806</link>
		<author>Colin Elliott</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 17:50:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;i&gt;There was no sin in the fact that they all spoke the same language (and Sharon, there is no sin in anyone learning anyone else’s language). Rather, the sin was two-fold: (1) they refused obey God’s command to fill the earth but rather stayed in one place, and (2) they misused the power that having one language gave them in trying to build a name for themselves with building the tower to heaven.

God had already promised not to destroy man again as he did with the flood, so this time he solved the problem in a rather unique and clever way.&lt;/i&gt;

Good to see we agree here.

&lt;i&gt;I don’t know if I agree with your statement, Colin, about “I don’t think God wants to keep men from advancing too far technologically…” There are a lot of things that God doesn’t “want” but he allows, to our detriment. Creation of the nuclear bombs enough to really mess up his creation, is one possible example of something that man with one language has created that to me, borders on going too far.&lt;/i&gt;

I think I know that God want us in heaven with him. He wants to make a new heaven and earth. Those are his long term plans anyway. There is no desire expressed in scripture that man would not see technological advancements for it's own sake. It's one of those cause and effect mix-ups - like "premarital sex leads to dancing." Atom bombs were created because man's thoughts are violent and depraved - not because technology itself is bad. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>There was no sin in the fact that they all spoke the same language (and Sharon, there is no sin in anyone learning anyone else’s language). Rather, the sin was two-fold: (1) they refused obey God’s command to fill the earth but rather stayed in one place, and (2) they misused the power that having one language gave them in trying to build a name for themselves with building the tower to heaven.</p>
<p>God had already promised not to destroy man again as he did with the flood, so this time he solved the problem in a rather unique and clever way.</i></p>
<p>Good to see we agree here.</p>
<p><i>I don’t know if I agree with your statement, Colin, about “I don’t think God wants to keep men from advancing too far technologically…” There are a lot of things that God doesn’t “want” but he allows, to our detriment. Creation of the nuclear bombs enough to really mess up his creation, is one possible example of something that man with one language has created that to me, borders on going too far.</i></p>
<p>I think I know that God want us in heaven with him. He wants to make a new heaven and earth. Those are his long term plans anyway. There is no desire expressed in scripture that man would not see technological advancements for it&#8217;s own sake. It&#8217;s one of those cause and effect mix-ups - like &#8220;premarital sex leads to dancing.&#8221; Atom bombs were created because man&#8217;s thoughts are violent and depraved - not because technology itself is bad.</p>
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